cliff at the end of the year. then the economy will shrink, the pie will, and we have to meet in the middle. and so far, there has not been progress getting there. >> a fascinating debate, thank you both very much. >> thank you, piers. >>> coming next. who better than politics, powerball's and the fiscal cliff? i hate that praise, let's call it financial hilltop. tavis, we'll discuss that after the break. >> i just renamed it. ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ >>> our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets our long-term deficit under control in a way that is fair and balanced. that kind of agreement would be good for our businesses, it would be good for our economy. it would be good for our children's future. and i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to